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Corporate social media marketing is a very new way of conducting business. As companies gingerly step into, what many perceive, are turbulent waters, not understanding the culture of this new world can lead to sand castle strategies being knocked over and washed away by the tides of conversation. One company who has been knocked over by conversational waves, but is now leveraging its learnings is Dell.
Quite often when I turned a corner in the world of social media that I play in, I bumped into RichardatDell. Richard Binhammer was on Twitter, commenting on blogs, visible at offline events.... he was to me Dell listening, hearing, learning and most importantly participating in "my world online."
I was fascinated by the active role he was taking and wanted to know more about how Dell was now successfully riding the wave of the new conversation. For my two cents Dell has gone from hell to the 'corporate poster child for social media marketing.' RichardatDell kindly agreed to tell me his story and share Dell's lessons learned.
About Richard Binhammer: After a career in politics and government relations in Canada, I moved to the United States to pursue a broader communications career. In the late 1990s I consulted to Dell and helped win a Silver Anvil for the company. I went on to NYC consulting in communications, winding my way back to Dell as part of the public affairs team.
Today, I am part of Dell’s Conversations, Communities and Communications team with responsibilities for listening and learning online. Basically, I listen to bloggers and engage in conversations about Dell.
If you really want to get to know me, join me on Facebook or subscribe to my blog, Around The Web With Richard at Dell, in your RSS reader.
About Dell: From my perspective, Dell is a phenomenal company and has been ever since I first met the people at Dell, Michael Dell and was a consultant to them back in the 1995 – 1998 period.
It delivers great technology connecting people around the world. It’s a young company, just 20 years old, so its still eager to learn. And it does. That’s the hallmark of an interesting, growing company with growth opportunities.
In addition, the premises underpinning the direct business model, known for efficiency and mass customization, are also fundamental to real and realized customer relationships (even with a retail component) and I believe that is still revolutionary in the marketplace…frankly contributing to some of what we do online and forging ahead. Direct To Dell Conversations With Dell
Toby: I took this from your blog - “I get to visit blogs, listen learn and converse.” For people who want to be involved with social media you might have one of the most enviable jobs on the planet. How did your job evolve?
RichardatDell: I was part of Dell’s public affairs team involved with building out our presence and involvements in communities around the world. I was then asked to go out and interact with bloggers and online, I suppose because we thought of this a community and conversations with communities. In August of 2006, my colleague John Pope and I started listening and engaging online in conversations
Toby: How involved are you really in the space?
RichardatDell: Not quite sure what you mean? John and I visit 100s and 1000s of blogs per week, participate on Twitter, Facebook, Flickr, I have a blog…all part of listening and learning from customers, helping solve technical issues and joining conversations about Dell everyday. I spend at least 50% of my day online, conversing … good and bad
Toby: You have a halo of celebrity. Do you find people want to be your “friend” or “follower” (on Twitter) because you are Richard a very cool dude or because you are Richard from Dell? Does it matter to you?
RichardatDell: I don’t think there is a halo to what I do. It’s what any professional communicator should do…listen and learn…then interact to listen and learn some more. And, it is not just RichardatDELL. There is a team of us at Dell, all committed to listening and engaging in real conversations online. We believe social media really is a new frontier and that we can make an impact….we make mistakes and screw up too….so no halo…please.
At one point I always asked people on Facebook, why we should be friends, if I didn’t know them. I find that interesting and puts some rationale around “connecting”. Im sort of out of that habit these days.
I hope people want to follow me because they think we (all of us at Dell together) are doing interesting and good work. I also like to believe that we are also really making a huge global business human … I think that is cool.
Toby: Let’s cut to the chase .. does Dell really think that a blog and some conversation with bloggers will counter what some people have termed “Dell Hell?”
RichardatDell: Yes we do believe in the power of online conversations and communities. This is not about countering or changing some artifact or image…its about connecting with people and our customers.
Toby: On a high level, what is Dell’s social media direction?
RichardatDell: Keep going growing learning and get better. Experiment some more and keep going.
Toby: What are a few of Dell’s innovative programs?
RichardatDell: Ideastorm gets lots of attention. I think our technical support and blog outreach activity is innovative and I don’t see others doing it … but I am biased too
Toby: In terms of departments or functions, who “owns” social media at Dell?
RichardatDell: No one “owns” social media, except I suspect the customers and communities … everyone should engage with social media as a means to connect and build lasting and valuable connections … brand loyalty and lust
Toby: Does Dell have “success measurements” in place? And if so what are those metrics that determine success?
RichardatDell: We know there are on average 4000 conversations about us everyday. We know we have seen a decline in negative commentary from nearly 50 % to around 20%. However, we are working to move from traditional measurements of awareness and share of voice to conversations, communities and connections and how those can be valued … hard work and constantly fine tuning all kinds of metrics
Toby: Are social media tactics integrated into a master marketing plan? If so how do other initiatives support Dell’s social media programs? On the flip side - how do social media tactics support other strategies?
RichardatDell: Increasingly social media and marketing are viewed as integrated or need to be. I think is fair to say that our CMO very much sees the world that way and hence the whole move to design DaVinci. Frankly, as a communicator, after 18 months in this field, social media should be a part of any company’s public relations (two words not practice profession or pr).
Toby: Recently Target created quite a buzz when it told the world that it would not respond to “non traditional media?” How does Dell perceive bloggers in relationship to the traditional media?
RichardatDell: I don’t think we distinguish anymore between a blogger and mainstream media.
Toby: What are a few lessons learned for companies that are considering entering this space?
RichardatDell: Be honest, transparent, your self, and don’t worry about this control BS you hear about … how can participation with people who are interested in you, your products and services or business be wrong? And some people will never like you, so get over it
Toby: Where does Dell go from here in terms of continuing the innovation track it has taken in social media?
RichardatDell: Twitter, more blogs, more “interactive and social” things on dell.com … we will see where our customers want to go …
Toby: Richard Binhammer’s view on social media marketing
RichardatDell: I think I’ve said enough and would like to hear more from your readers and friends
Note: Cross posted from Diva Marketing
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Comments
Toby, fantastic interview. Thanks for capturing.
Posted by: Paul Barsch | 03.14.08
Very interesting. I think many companies that first dive into the social media pool try to (at least initially) defend their positions to the death, force change of dissenting opinions and try to shape the direction of the conversations. When they realize they are only building small mud dams to try and coax the mighty Mississippi to go where they think it should go, they either leave the social media space or take Dell’s approach of listening and learning. I applaud Dell for their approach. I think it takes humility and dedication.
Posted by: Bill Gammell | 03.14.08
Toby -- Great interview with one of my favorite people in this space.
Richard is the real deal. When I had a problem with my Dell months ago, he put me in touch with the right people to help resolve the issue. But what's really impressive -- he FOLLOWED UP to be sure I was getting advice I needed. Yes, I'm a friend -- but really, I'm not THAT good a friend! (LOL)
I know we all like to think we'd do the same for a customer, but sometimes our intentions are better than our actions. (And I put myself in this category, at times.) I give Richard (and Dell) major kudos for responsiveness and accessibility.
Posted by: Ann Handley | 03.14.08
Thanks for this interview, Toby. I have enjoyed getting to know Richard and a number of the Dell team who are active in social media. It impresses me that they're open about the mistakes they've made and genuinely eager to participate in social networking as well as face to face interaction with bloggers and customers.
Besides all that, Richard looks pretty darn good in a cowboy hat. /grin/
Posted by: Connie Reece | 03.14.08
@Paul, @Ann, @Connie - Thanks. Yes, "toss of a pink boa" to Dell for not shying away when they got burnt by the bloggers .. and for tapping Richard (one can't get much more real than RichardatDell). I do think Dell is setting a standard for corp "participating" in the conversations. Shout out to the brands: Social media is not like any other type of marketing strategy. You might be listening in(and that's a great first step) but unless you jump into the game and talk to us we'll never know.
@Bill - love your term "build mud dams" I just might borrow it :-)
Posted by: Toby | 03.15.08
Toby, this was a surprise and we keep working hard to listen and converse more and more.
Connie, you know us/me too well ;-)
Hi Bill and Paul, appreciate the feedback and reinforcement to keep going. It helps reinforce the progress to date and our need to keep forging forward, even with our miscues -- and we do.
Anne, it's not about friendship its about connecting with customers and building real online relationships :-)...not saying you are not a friend, but jump in where ever we need to.
Again, thanks for perspectives and feedback
Posted by: RichardatDELL | 03.16.08
Thanks Toby and RichardatDELL. I often hold Dell up as an example of how to do this - so I join the applause. A key ingredient I see is taking the good with the bad and being honest. This also enables prospective customers to make up their mind about the Dell brand - powerful for lead generation. By contrast, I see many businesses keep user groups closed and edit out any negative comments. This smacks of old world corporate commnications; an anathema to cluetrain-savvy web audiences.
Posted by: Tony Eyles | 03.16.08
Hi, Toby and Richard. The one thing that resonates with me is this comment:
"Be honest, transparent, your self, and don’t worry about this control BS you hear about … how can participation with people who are interested in you, your products and services or business be wrong? And some people will never like you, so get over it."
There are so many organizations that are hesitant to jump into the blogosphere for fear of losing control of the message. Your advice, Richard, is excellent.
Posted by: Elaine Fogel | 03.17.08
Toby,
Fantastic interview. My favorite part is your "Let's cut to the chase..." and also Richard's honest, authentic and insightful answers.
Great read!
Nettie
Posted by: Nettie Hartsock | 03.18.08
Tony, thanks for holding us up. You are right the good with the bad is crucial. Our view is respond and face the negative...and sometimes even offer alternative viewpoints versus trying to ignore or cover it up. We are not perfect. Who is?
Elaine, I truly believe the "control" issue is a canard. :-) More on that soon I think on my blog. When were free markets ever about control. Only monopolies are controlling and they get regulated.
Nettie, I like Toby's interview style too. My favorite part is hearing from all of you
Posted by: RichardatDELL | 03.19.08
Tony, thanks for holding us up. You are right the good with the bad is crucial. Our view is respond and face the negative...and sometimes even offer alternative viewpoints versus trying to ignore or cover it up. We are not perfect. Who is?
Elaine, I truly believe the "control" issue is a canard. :-) More on that soon I think on my blog. When were free markets ever about control. Only monopolies are controlling and they get regulated.
Nettie, I like Toby's interview style too. My favorite part is hearing from all of you
Posted by: RichardatDELL | 03.19.08
Agreed
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